Roger Ver – Bitcoin Cash: Maximalism, Censorship & Nouriel Roubini reaction


it seems like you’re not a maximalist
like many people these days and speaking of which I’ve never been even even like
back in 2011 people said well what if somebody makes something better than
Bitcoin I told my I hope they do because then we all get to use it but Bitcoin
itself is amazing right now today so if something else comes out it’s gonna have
to be even more amazing so that’s a great thing why would I be sad about
that I’m I’ll be happy and if something even better than Bitcoin cash comes
along I’ll be happy because then I’ll get to use and promote that that’s a good clap it’s pretty good yeah dear crypto community and blockchain buddies
across the globe welcome back to season two of Cryptonites, live from the CC
forum we had some crazy crazy talks and one crazy debate and we’re here with one
of the biggest movers in the decentralized movement and of course founder of
Bitcoin cash Roger ver thank you so much for being here today thank you but I
have to correct that I am no more responsible for the creation of Bitcoin
cash than I am responsible for the creation of Bitcoin itself so I’m just
a fan of both of them and was late to the party for both of them as well but earlier than
most people yeah you were definitely here in the very early days and if we
could go back I mean first of all you you actually released a video recently
about your experience in jail and the sufferings and how you know centralized
prisons all that really brought you through some dark times and the
community reacted really well they loved the fact that a strong guy like you, you
know can share such emotions and stuff like that but if you don’t mind telling
us about what led you to really want to be a part of this movement our community.
I guess I played back to studying economics and the more economics I
studied the more I realized that anytime anybody buys or sells anything with
anybody both people are richer after the trade happens otherwise the trade
wouldn’t happen so anytime you buy you know anything from Starbucks if you buy
some coffee from them it’s because you value the coffee more than the money you
pay them and Starbucks values the money that they get from you more than they
value the coffee so after the trade happens
Starbucks is richer because they have the money that they value up more than
the coffee and you’re richer because you have the coffee that you value more than
the money that you gave them so both people are better off after the trade
happens so if we can build tools and systems that allow more people around
the world to be able to trade with more people everybody becomes richer after
the trades happening otherwise those trades wouldn’t take place so when
Bitcoin came along I saw it as this tool to enable more people to be able to
trade with more other people around the world well that makes everybody all over
the entire planet richer it makes the entire world a better place for
everybody so who doesn’t want to live in a better world than the one we have
today well the best tool to help make that happen is
it’s digital currencies and cryptocurrencies that can be used for
payments to buy and sell things for people around the world and that’s why I
got involved you know way back in 2011 when Bitcoin was less than $1 each
that’s amazing and you know like so first of all you inspired my brother as
well he really looks up to you and I think a lot of the people don’t realize
how important of a role you played in this space you know with Internet these
days people jump to fast conclusions and you know make decisions based on very
little information sometimes which is sad but obviously in your times in New
York and all your activity like what were things that fascinated you in terms
of Bitcoin and want to propel that message to the community before moving
to Japan yeah so I’d already moved to Japan before Bitcoin had ever even been
invented I’ve been there like 15 years now but I’ve been involved in Bitcoin
around nine but here here it is finally this is the tool to empower every single
person on the planet to have 100% complete control of their own money
that’s a good thing for every single person on the planet so I had already
had some assets from my own business tag started in in California and so I took
the money from that used to buy some Bitcoin and then used it to start
investing in all the first generation of Bitcoin and cryptocurrency businesses so
it’s you know the things that are kind of household names like today like
things like Kraken and blockchain calm and bitpay and on and on and on and I’m
a fan of anything that works and I want to invest in anything that helps makes
people’s lives better because that’s how we make the world a better place and I’m
living in this world just like everybody else that is super cool and a great
message and it’s in terms of Japan itself a lot of people would say Japan
would not be into Bitcoin and cryptocurrency
if it were not for Roger Ver they would have just gotten to it later in
2011 one of the very first things I did there’s a guy that was working for him
there was like I speak Japanese pretty well but like really good you do and you
all a lot of people don’t realize this but if you’re working working as a
translator always translating from your second language back into your native
tongue and so like Japanese is not my native tongue but I had a guy that was
working for me that it was and so I paid him to translate the entire Bitcoin
white paper into Japanese and when he took the name Satoshi Nakamoto he just
chose the most common Chinese characters for the
name Satoshi Nakamoto and just put that on the white paper and then years later
they’re a bunch of people so like where did this kanji come from for the name
and their kind they were trying to figure out like is this the real kanji
for the Satoshi and it’s like no my the guy Makoto is his name the translator
all he just chose the most common spelling for it and in Japanese but we
translated the entire Bitcoin white paper and the entire Bitcoin dollar
website into Japanese back in 2011 and so we did that and it’s also kind of
interesting Jihan wu the founder of bitmain another giant Bitcoin cash
supporter today he’s the one that are in I think 2012 translated everything into
Chinese and spread Bitcoin into China so it’s kind of interesting the guy that
brought Bitcoin to Japan and the guy that brought bitcoind to China
we’re both now big giant Bitcoin cash supporters because we view that as the
crypto currency that’s most closely resembles the Bitcoin that we fell in
love with back in two thousand eleven or twelve and we see it as the one that has
the best chance to bring more economic freedom to the world and it’s not to say
we don’t like the thing that everyone’s calling Bitcoin today we’re just even
more optimistic about Bitcoin cash and I want to ask you a question based on that
but just before oh no first question I want to ask you about jujitsu okay is
that cool no problem you still practice oh yeah my friend was at carpet game oh
tensley things though I know Dan for since we were both the Triforce yeah no
way did he get his black belt recently I think he’s still brown belt or brown
belt – I think we’re getting pretty close to black oh really
did that whipping thing hurt really bad this is so funny there was in Japan
there’s something for those who do not know it’s called a go cone where you go
on a double date or you bring friends the guys bring their buddies
yeah quite the same in unblinding here right well I think he’s like hopping
from table to table right yes yes speed dating difference be dating is
yeah I like group dating I guess getting to everything confused but you’re right
it’s like a group right and I heard that there was one girl who was really into
you and the first thing you told her well the first thing you told her was
have you ever heard of a Bitcoin and you started like actually you got her to
download I think it was a Bitcoin cash wallet and you started transacting and
showing her and it was really funny because everyone’s like you know Roger
doesn’t give a damn about the girl he just wants to you know educate people
talk about Bitcoin to be a good pick-up line right you can tell okay excuse me
have you heard of Bitcoin and that can break the ice as well but that’s that
story I’m sure it’s true and I’m sure it wasn’t the only time either was that
your your most successful tool to you know kind of push mass adoption Japan is
getting people to download a wallet that still might my tool today everybody I
meet I make sure they have a Bitcoin cash wallet and before we’re done with
this interview I’ll make sure everyone in the room has a Bitcoin cash wallet if
they don’t already thank you so much for that so going back to what you were
talking about Bitcoin cash so this is like kind of a big event in the
cryptocurrency space and I would love to hear from you obviously there’s there’s
politics going on both sides there’s some issues with maximalism and stuff
like that but what what kind of made you feel like I don’t like where this is
going what was the turning point for you was
like okay now it’s time to create what you you find is the real Bitcoin in that
sense yeah I was actually pretty quiet on the scaling debate and I had my
opinion and I definitely leaned towards the the big block side but I was real
quiet about it just watching and absorbing all the information and trying
to learn exciting I know I’m not the smartest guy in the planet or even
necessarily in the room and so I was quiet listening and just trying to learn
and observe from everything and then all of a sudden I saw one side engage in
massive censorship or they were banning and anybody that had a different opinion
than their own and deleting anybody’s post that had a different opinion than
their own and when I saw the censorship start I said well one side supporting
free speech the other side supporting censorship I know which camp I’m gonna
plant my flag with and of course it’s the side that supports free speech and
free expression and free you know expression of ideas and that’s the big
cash camp and even to this day the Bitcoin cash community embraces
free speech and free discussion it breaks my heart to say it but the
Bitcoin core the BTC camp the thing everyone’s calling Bitcoin the online
discussion platform for it are super heavily censored your posts will
literally be deleted if you post something that it’s not towing the the
party line and it’s really sad to see that because bitcoins supposed to be all
about free speech and free transactions for people in the world and instead it’s
this giant censorship infested cesspool and it’s it’s sad to see that if have
happened but to be very honest with you I was censored before yeah so so
disheartening right it just breaks your heart to see this community that was
supposed to be all about free speech and free expression of ideas engaging in
censorship and it’s been going on for years now for years yeah
so you had the idea of the technology the bigger block size suppose what made
me speak out yeah like I already felt that way inside but I was like oh I’ll
just be quiet and watch what do I need to stick my neck out for that then when
the censorship started said boom it’s time for me to stick my neck out and
it’s been really really disappointing to see other people that I used to really
look up and with to in the space people like Andres Antonopoulos he’s silent on
the censorship like where is he why doesn’t he speak out about that and I
think he should and it’s disappointing to see see people not speaking out about
it more strongly even even if you think that restricting the block size is a
good idea you should still support free speech and
free discussion about that topic and and sadly that hasn’t been the case within
the Bitcoin community over the last couple of years so now it was really
like a value or principle that you disliked you’re like every speech is
important yeah if you don’t have free speech and free discussion of ideas how
can the world move forward how can people be exposed to new ideas that
brings me to a bigger topic which is Donald Trump because biggest are the
biggest topics right because a lot of people say that if you ban if we try to
ban Bitcoin Bitcoin cash like cornets hiriam you’re actually impeding on
freedom of speech and obviously you know the American people we grow up with you
know pledging allegiance and everything is about freedom freedom freedom
everywhere right I would argue that pledging the allegiance is not about
yeah yeah brainwash people thank you the truth but uh do you think we will
arrive at one point if you know Bitcoin cash or cryptocurrency grows enough
where they think okay this is not the local drug dealer anymore this is a
bigger threat to our economic system i monetary policies do you think the US
would ever ban it or they would never do it because that would go against one of
the core values of I hope they would never ban it but if they do try to ban
it that’s a even stronger sign that this is something worthwhile and that the
world should have so but you know there’s different politicians with
different views and hopefully the smart ones will realize that they should
embrace this technology because it makes the world a better place rather than
than Chenin was moving on to today’s debate that was so cool that was one of
the best debates I’ve ever seen and now of course really I’ll have to watch it yeah
it was really good I think you represented the the crypto community
very very well… Decentralization is not the goal Decentral… well I’ve
been involved in this place pretty deeply and I’ll tell you
decentralization is not my goal decentralization is the tool that we
used to enable censorship resistance for cryptocurrencies and you need just
enough to centralization so that you can’t be censored with in your
transactions and I don’t know anybody that’s having their cryptocurrency
transaction censor because you can literally use it to send and receive
money with anyone right now today and that’s why websites all around the world
are using it for payments right now today you can book any hotel in the
world with crypto currencies you can book any flight in the world with any
airline with crypto currencies you can buy just about anything you want and if
you shop on Amazon you can save 15 or 20% off your Amazon purchases by using
Bitcoin cash on purse.io that’s a real reason for real people that aren’t
terrorists and aren’t selling firecrackers on eBay you see the
commercial that was good it was a great commercial that’s one of the reasons why
people can use it so this is real money and a real tool that are improving the
lives of real doubtfull around the world today if you don’t like it don’t use it
it’s just that simple what were your favorite moments were
your the things that you liked about it disliked about it how did you feel in
that actual moment I think my favorite moment was when Roubini started
complaining that I sold firecrackers on eBay and that I’m a felon
which is true and has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not
cryptocurrencies are useful to the world or useful tools it’s like the fact that
he had to devolve into attacking me as a person rather than debating the merits
of cryptocurrencies shows you that he absolutely lost the debate on on every
point otherwise he wouldn’t have started attacking me personally for when I sold
on eBay 20 years ago so so that was pretty funny he was he was making a bit
personal right like you were focusing on the big picture and he was attacking you
which just shows like he like what does that have to do with cryptocurrency he
lost the debate if he has to attack me personally oh that right away you
thought he lost he lost I think clearly right yeah yeah it’s
called ad hominem right attacking the man you attacked me personally rather
than the ideas of cryptocurrencies which is what we were supposed to be debating
are there any other things that you agree with Nouriel Roubini on what he
was saying or is it just complete no I like a lot of it I actually did agree
so he said probably people all over the world are using PayPal and WeChat and
Alipay and this and that to pay for things because those services are useful he’s
right they are useful but more choices are a good thing so people in addition
to WeChat and Ali pay and this and that and Venmo, let’s let people use Bitcoin
cash you know – Monero, Dash Zcash and like take your pick Ethereum and
like there’s a zillion tokens out there more choices are a good thing the more
choices people have better imagine if the entire world the only thing that
people could drink was coca-cola yeah how boring would the world be and the
same is true of cryptocurrencies let’s have that wasn’t script of currencies
and people can choose whichever one they liked the best for the things they’re up
to and then they can use it and if someone likes a different one than you
don’t be mad at them if someone likes drinking a different soft drink than you
that’s fine – don’t hate on them for that so let let everybody enjoy their
own cryptocurrency let it everybody enjoy their own soft drink or hard drink
for that matter yeah and I think your outro the speech that you gave right
after the debate was where you really want everyone over you got actually a
bit of a standing ovation here and there I think this is a bit of an example of a
just a difference in world view in a difference in philosophy so I’m
incredibly excited by the idea of empowering each individual to have
choice have choices in their own lives they can choose which form of money they
want to use they can choose which financial institution they want to deal
with they can choose what investments they want to invest in I think having
more people with more individual choices is a good thing for the world
and from Nouriel we’re hearing no nobody gets to do anything unless they use our
our our fiat currency from central bankers and controlled everything with
everyone all the time well that’s not exciting that’s an interesting variety
it’s a spice of life so let’s people let’s have people get to choose if they
want to use Bitcoin cash or Bitcoin or Litecoin or Etherium or Dash or Monero or the US dollar, the yen or the euro or if they want to you know traded
ameritrade or etrader if they want to invest in risky ICOs, let’s let
people have the freedom to do that and that’s the exciting part about
blockchain technologies because it gives everybody on the planet a level playing
field in which they can all participate in the economy and they don’t have to
get permission from people like Nouriel Roubini and his friends in order to do
so you just mentioned many many different cryptocurrencies, Ethereum itself like some people have lost little bit of faith some people think “oh no, DeFi and all these..” Are you supporter of some of these platforms as well do
you want to see them succeeding do you believe in Ethereum as of today with
the virtual machine or the smart contracts… I’m a fan of anything that works and obviously
Ethereum works right it’s the second most popular cryptocurrency in the
entire world with a bunch of different tokens and all sorts of things happening
and if it wasn’t being useful to people people wouldn’t be using it so like I
said I’m a competition maximalist I want to see the most people using the most
number of things and and it’s just like this Darwinian evolution of
cryptocurrencies and the more competition there is the better the end
product is that we all get to use and so that’s a good thing for everybody
awesome thank you so much and and so moving on to obviously there was a
Bitcoin & Bitcoin cash and then we had Bitcoin cash and then Bitcoin SV yeah
it seems like I wish the Bitcoin SV people good luck with their project yeah
that’s great i Drock mention that remember that at the end of the panel
that makes a lot of sense yeah or do you have like when you think
about this are there any regrets in terms of like how things played out or
do you ceiling are you still in good terms with all these people or I’m the
the Bitcoin SV people are busy censoring everybody and the Bitcoin SV
discussion platforms are completely censored so they’re not supporting free
speech so to me it makes it not an interesting project I’m not interested
in lawsuits and I’m not interested in censorship I wish them good luck with
everything except for their lawsuits and except for their censorship so for me
it’s not a project I’m interested in personally but I wish them good luck
with like I said everything but the lawsuits in the censorship great
beautiful but it seems like you’re not a
maximalist like many people these days and speaking of which I’ve never been
even even like back in 2011 people said well what if somebody makes something
better than Bitcoin I told my I hope they do because then we all get to use
it but Bitcoin itself is amazing right now today so if something else comes out
it’s gonna have to be even more amazing so that’s a great thing why would I be
sad about that I’m I’ll be happy and if something even better than Bitcoin cash
comes along I’ll be happy because then I’ll get to use and promote that so that
makes a lot of sense and you you created this video the other day which was about
maximalism and I will never forget one of the analogies and I was really
touched because you talked about how in politics there’s always a spectrum
you can choose between you know being liberal extremely conservative and
religion also we have extremists and then you have the people who just don’t
have religions and stuff like that but he’s Maximalism close to that side to the
extreme right side in terms of it’s my way or the highway
or I’m not open enough to accept other projects or is it a little bit different
in your opinion yeah I think recently I compared the Bitcoin maximalist
anti-shah yeah and they just like don’t want people to even be able to have
ideas in their head that doesn’t conform to what they want the world to be in
like that’s not the world I want to live in I want to live in a world with like a
diversity of not only cryptocurrencies but a diversity of ideas and then people
can argue and debate and sharpen those ideas and we can figure out you know
what the the most effective ideas and thought processes in the world are to
make the world a better place for all of us but like imagine if everybody had to
think the exact same thing how boring would the world be and we’d never we’d
never be moving humankind forward I’m very happy to see that your so open-minded so in terms of Facebook for instance you know losing some of their
best buddies recently obviously it seems like you don’t wish any ill-will to
anybody and you’re very open minded I’m very happy to see that you’re such a
good person but do you feel bad for them or some people are like yeah you know
you guys lost this partner PayPal you lost this partner no I think that’s
disappointing so we’re talking about the new cryptocurrency Libra that yeah Libra
the no longer new cryptocurrency the abandoned the abandoned currency I think
that’s sad because it’s it’s more it would have been more competition they
would have to make you in the Bitcoin cash and a theory and everything else
step up their game to compete with this and
competition leads to better results for everybody every
the fact that we have McDonald’s and Burger King means that both of those
companies hamburgers are better than if we only had one of those companies and
the same is true with the cryptocurrency so I was really sad actually to see
Libra just disintegrate into every and the way it disintegrated there was the
really scary part is the politicians basically sending threatening letters to
these companies saying you better not do this or we’re gonna make your life
living hell how is that them being our representatives right that’s not a
representative that’s like a slave master bossing everybody around so I
don’t think that’s cool either yeah that makes a lot of sense I’m glad to hear
you say that because people are actually celebrating almost like whoo I know
these guys so that’s really really good to know in terms of investment platforms
and stuff like that how how have we evolved if we want to purchase Bitcoin
cash like in terms of the early days of being able to purchase Bitcoin cash –
now are you happy with evolution and how the accessibility has come and it’s
getting better and better every year but there’s still a huge amount of work to
do so one really cool tool that we built recently is a local debit coin comm and
it sounds like sounds like local bitcoins what’s exciting about that but
we’re using using smart contracts on Bitcoin cash we made it so anyone can
buy or sell Bitcoin cash in any country for any payment method with no kyc it’s
direct person-to-person transaction but we’re using what’s called a self
custodial escrow so the Bitcoin cash is locked in an escrow so no party can run
away with it but the platform itself never touches the money so like the
platform itself never has to do any kyc or any sort of nonsense on that so it’s
a really powerful tool that’s really getting more traction all over the world
and I’m excited about that as a way to allow more people to buy and sell not
just Bitcoin cash but any cryptocurrency on that platform because you can then
you know buy and sell Z cash or – or whatever you want with Bitcoin cash
being the other side of the the trade they’re using the the self custodial
escrow so it’s a really cool platform over it local Bitcoin comm is that that
platform and we built that and it’s our own product but it’s awesome if I do say
so myself yeah I mean speaking of which you actually in terms of regulation and
and KYC nml you gave a really powerful speech at Dev Con just a week ago I saw
the article roger ver and then I have the article in there but I heard that
you you gave a very emotional pitch on you know why this is BS you know we
shouldn’t have this KYC / AML stuff do you mind just just telling us what you
talked about and hopefully they can find footage of you actually making that
speech yeah although I found out afterwards apparently they didn’t film
it or that wasn’t supposed to be filmed and I my heart was bad they say I had
the same reaction when I found that out cuz I think I think I did it gave a good
talk there so maybe someone somewhere has it I would love to see it myself but
if they have it they tagged you on Twitter so yeah but like the main point
like you hear a lot of these companies talk about like you know we’re compliant
for this and compliant for that and compliance compliance compliance and I
told people every time you hear a company talking about compliance change
in your mind the word compliance to obedience because that’s really what
they’re talking about they’re not just talking about any kind of obedience
they’re talking about being obedient to a bunch of strangers living in a far-off
city that they’ve never met and have never met them and probably don’t even
understand anything about the business they’re they’re engaged in and if you
change the word compliance to obedience in your mind and you look at it from
that point of view you see just how silly all this nonsense is they’re
you’re bragging about being obedient to a bunch of strangers you’ve never met
living in a far-off city that’s nothing to brag about that’s not marketing
that’s not good marketing material for you for your business that’s just blind
in your hands right why would you be obedient to a bunch of strangers that
don’t even understand what you’re up to yeah I don’t even know what matters to
you and them doing anything about your business why would you be obedient to
those people if you sent them a letter in the mail saying that they had to be
compliant with your demand they’d laughing you say who are you alright
same thing to them there’s just a stranger a stranger as a stranger is a
stranger even if they wear fancy suits or and work in buildings with flags out
in front like why are they any more human than you or I why do they have any
more right to boss your eye around them we have a right to boss them around and
I think the answer philosophically very clearly as they don’t the practical
answer is they have a lot more guns in the heart you if you don’t obey them but
don’t think of compliance is a good thing just think of it as obedience
strangers and arbitrary Authority very interesting compliance is obedience and
just now you’re talking about features that we still lack in terms of investing
in cryptocurrency well what are the things that you would like to see in the
future to make things easier for everybody or so it’s not
things that I would like to see I look at the things that I would like to see
and then we go out and build them and we’re trying to make them tools that
people can use and so historically in humankind we’ve had such a thing as
anonymous bearer shares and governments have really kind of clamped down on
those and made it really hard for people to have anonymous bear shares and we
also have lots of companies that pay dividends historically there have never
been anonymous bear shares that could also receive dividend payments well we
built that on Bitcoin cash you can now have Bitcoin cash tokens that act just
like anonymous bear shares but they can receive dividend payments right there on
chain that’s an incredibly powerful tool for the entire world and really really
exciting and I’m sure we’re gonna see more and more security tokens building
on top of Bitcoin cash and using this dividend payment tool to pay dividends
directly to their token holders around the world that’s an exciting powerful
tool that is really cool that it’s taking utility is it no it’s not even
it’s taking utility so you’re just basically every Bitcoin cash token just
sits in a Bitcoin cash address so you can scan the blockchain to see which
which tokens are sitting at what addresses and you can send whatever
dividends you want to those addresses the dividends can either be in Bitcoin
cash or other Bitcoin cash tokens so a really cool example of this is the
biggest stable coin in the world right now is tether right there’s like four
billion dollars of tether floating around the world on a couple of
different block chains and the Ted the company behind tether they’re earning
some interest with the dollars that are in the bank account somewhere they don’t
share any of that interest within any of the token holders of tether out there in
the world well what if using this tool that we
built now the stable coin issue or that issue is a stable coin on become cash
they’d then share the interest from the bank directly to all the token holders
but the token holders still have 100% complete control their cryptocurrency
you can have it offline in your paper wallet you know buried under the shed in
your back yard but the interest payments still show up every month so you cannot
have stable coins that are an interest on chain but you don’t have to give up
your custody of this table coin that’s a really really powerful tool so I think
stable coins are gonna wind up being on the Bitcoin cash blockchain more than
any other because of their fast cheap reliable transactions and because you
can pay the dividends or the interest directly on chain to the stable coin
holders I think that’s a big deal that’s really cool so is that the kind of like
your definition of how you can actually give a use case for financial inclusion
distribution as well yeah I guess my job as an entrepreneurs look for problems in
the world and then find a way to solve those problems or look at current
solutions that people are using in their life
and figure out a way to make that solution even better or even more useful
and that’s what I’m busy doing plus the jiu-jitsu and the jiu-jitsu that’s how I
keep healthy and mind and body so for when the black belts Roger I got a I got
to win some more tournaments of brown belt so hopefully I’ll be able to make
some time for those tournaments and the I think now the the the line has been
crossed but for up until fairly recently there are probably more videos of me on
YouTube competing in jiu-jitsu tournaments than there were about me
talking about Bitcoin there’s a lot of videos on YouTube with me competing it’s
not just you a lot so that’s really really cool just so yeah in terms of
jiu-jitsu do you watch UFC as well I used to watch religiously and pride for
those that remember that yeah yeah now I know rego me right yeah it says position
Sakuraba was one of my very favorite fighters for anyway that remembers that
I got to meet him recently through my Bitcoin involvement to know that was a
real honor to do that but now I’ve been a lot more busy with the
cryptocurrencies stuff so I haven’t had as much time to to follow that but yeah
I still love all that stuff of course so that’s so cool that’s so cool so people
can actually watch videos of Roger we’re doing it see I said up TJ Dillashaw a
few months ago I ran into him in Panama and said oh my gosh Wow symptoms of
Bitcoin caches I did it was their first stem-cell treatment on his shoulder and
I was there first and so treatment on my my ACL on my knees so yeah it’s really
just absolutely awesome but thank you so much Roger for today my pleasure thank
you so much and you’re just gonna guys she must be there sure I know you’re
doing lots of good stuff in Japan and I know a lot of people who personally have
never got into the space without you because you created the biggest
community through Bitcoin cash meetups and I think there’s no bit quite meetups
starting back in it yes 11 in both Tokyo and in Silicon Valley and yeah around
the world I should still active oh yeah the Tokyo
double is incredible back for every single Wednesday there’s dozens of
places in Tokyo that accept Bitcoin cash now there’s far more than accept BTC at
this point and we have an awesome community every single Wednesday so
anybody that winds up being in Tokyo join us Wednesday for Bitcoin can we can
I meet you there as well if I’m in town I always go it’s fantastic you will love
it and if you don’t start a Bitcoin cache made up in the town where you’re
and you’ll meet all sorts of interesting smart wonderful people it’s a great way
to make new friends thank you so much for influencing hopefully all the
viewers out that will understand that you know you’ve you’ve been in space for
a long time even pushing the message the word for a long time and done lots of
good so hopefully you know people will resonate with that type of message and
look forward to having again hopefully in next season or kryptonite’s can’t
wait if we want to follow you where are your the most active if wants to get in
touch with you is it coin calm is the right place whether I focus on all my
time and energy and effort into building amazing tools to bring more economic
freedom to the world over a Bitcoin calm thank you so much Roger and for those
viewing out there don’t forget to Like subscribe blast that bail notification
and of course comment and we’ll try to get back to you with an answer as soon
as possible and don’t forget to tune in next Wednesday at 8 o’clock premiering
at a computer near you and you got to share this video to you left that part
out share this video with your friends too and set them up with Bitcoin cash
wallets or any crypto currency wallet use whatever cryptocurrencies the best
for you but spread this right it’s up to all of us to make the world a better
place so let’s share it with a friend share with a friend please guys don’t
forget to share, listen to Roger Ver and obviously put your comments we love
you and catch you next Wednesday thank you so much

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